Multimedia
Snippet from our Dr. Phil appearance in Dec. 2009, including us describing a major turning point in our relationship. (Click on “How could I say no to someone loving my daughter?” for the first of three pages on the Dr. Phil site.)
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One of our longest, most in-depth interviews…. Parts of this were very emotional for us! Very incisive hosts.

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An excerpt of a comprehensive podcast we did on mother/stepmother issues. An unusual angle, since it’s geared towards social workers, but still accessible to all!
*Click the Social Work Podcast image to listen to the interview.


